Are children a good reason or a poor excuse?

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Are children a good reason or a poor excuse?

Postby Elaura » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:38 am

I'm seeing a disturbing trend in the US. Children are being used more and more often as an excuse to push legislation which affects all citizens (and non-citizens for that matter).

The first example that pops into my mind is immigration, deportation, and people who are in this country illegally. I saw an interview recently about an actress (yes, another celebrity testimonial) who, when she was young, came home and discovered her entire family had been deported. She, having been born in the US, was not. In fact, because her family was technically "hiding" (in plain sight), the fact she existed in connection with this family wasn't part of the immigration record, or, perhaps she simply slipped through the cracks. Social services didn't come for her and she was taken in by neighbors. She insisted that her parents had tried for years to become citizens, but just couldn't.

Well, a sad story, indeed. So, now, because there are *children* being left behind by our inhumane immigration laws and practices, the President is considering amnesty for all of our poor, mistreated, "undocumented citizens".

Then there's the smoking thing. A small town in Massachusetts, under 8,000 people, recently attempted to pass a ban on the sales of all tobacco products, for the sake of the children. The vote was up to three people on the board of health. After a huge outcry from the citizens which culminated in a public meeting being cut short and the three board members being escorted out by the police, it was shot down two to one. The One said she was saddened that her town wasn't going to be the first to protect their children from exposure to cigarette sales. She even made it clear they weren't trying to ban smoking on private property, just the sale of tobacco, so the kids wouldn't have to see those evil packages lurking behind the counter of the local stores.

I remember when Vaping arrived, even before it had a name. The e-cigarettes emitted nothing but water vapor and were considered nicotine delivery systems, no different than gum or patches. However, there was an outcry and a call for banning them, because they looked like cigarettes and were sending the wrong message to "the children". Hollywood joined in, of course, making sure the only people who smoked on screen were badguys and all the good-guys who already smoked, quit.

We could talk about guns. How the gun control laws are touted to be protecting the children, because somehow, taking firearms away from law-abiding, responsible adults is going to protect the children from criminals, who, as we all know, don't abide by laws in the first place. Of course the government can protect us from them by preventing the guns from being imported and finding their way into the hands of criminals, because they're doing such a good job of that with drugs.

Okay, let's talk about drugs. Legal, over-the-counter products which we now have to show our licenses to buy. Ephedrine, pseudo-ephedrine, are medications for asthma attacks. Teens were buying them to get high. So now it's the adults who have to suffer the regulations. Cough medicine, not the kind you get by prescription, the normal stuff. The kids started Robo-tripping, so guess who can't buy more than one bottle at a time?

Have you tried to buy spraypaint recently? Now cashiers are reminded to make sure the person buying the paint doesn't look like they're going to use it for nefarious purposes, like huffing. In the first place, are cashiers really the best people to be taking on the responsibility of protecting the children? In the second place, are they secretly counting how many cans of spraynet and arrid extra dry I buy in a month, like the pharmacy does with sudafed?

I have a question for the "it's for the sake of the children" crowd. How many of these poor misguided souls get turned away from their dark paths by these regulations? Or do they just bypass the cashiers and shoplift instead? Wouldn't it be ironic if some kid who might have bought a pack of cigarettes, instead steals it and ends up in jail, where the real drugs are?

Don't get me started on "fairness" Ribbons for participation have graduated to fines levied on schools whose teams score too many points, because it feels bad to lose and we don't want our purple penguins feeling bad, do we?

- No, I don't have kids, I don't want kids; I never did. No, I don't want to be told I can't buy perfectly legal products because people who do have kids can't figure out how to explain to them how life works. Because they can't prevent their own children from lying, cheating, stealing, or doing something because they saw someone else do it. When I was young, both of my parents smoked. I was often sent to the store to buy cigarettes and it wasn't against the law. I never opened a pack, never took a puff. I never stole liquor from my parents' unlocked cabinet and I never touched Dad's top dresser drawer, because that's where his always loaded, never locked, service revolver was and I knew it. When I was a kid, winning meant something, *because* losing sucked and you had to work harder to be a winner.

But, then again, children are really just an excuse to push the agenda, because it isn't their own children the lawmakers are trying to protect, it's yours. Their kids are busy doing cocaine at their private schools, preparing to follow in their parents' footsteps.
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Re: Are children a good reason or a poor excuse?

Postby neildarkstar » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:26 am

It's never about "the children", no matter what they say. It is all about control from a place that appears to be "high ground" but is really just a platform for the acquisition of power. Those same individuals would eat their young if they thought it would further their agenda. The cry always sounds like "It's for your own good" or "think of the children"... but in the end, it's another shameless abuse of children in the name of their cause.

When I was about 5 years old, unlike elaura, I knew precisely where my mother kept her .38 police special, and I had permission to use it anytime I wanted. The result was that I rarely ever even thought about it. I knew the important parts... it made my ears ring, put powder burns on the back of my hand, and was best left alone for the most part. Oh, I knew how to use it safely as well. How does keeping children ignorant help them? A school suspension for pointing an imaginary ray gun?!? Somebody's gotta be kidding, eh? :blink:

I have children of my own, and grandchildren, and Lord help me, even great grandchildren. None of them are angels, but none of them are ignorant about the important things in life either. My kids learned by my unceasing attempts to educate them. which amounted one warning that they were going to regret whatever they were doing. My boy and his friends were throwing rocks at a wasps nest built into a tree. I walked by and casually mentioned to him that he was going to regret that if he continued. I think he was about 7 at the time. Anyway, soon he and his friends did indeed come to regret their actions. He was crying as his momma and I tended to the stings, and he (and his momma) asked why I didn't make him stop. I told him I didn't because he wouldn't have learned anything if I had. So when much later on I causally mentioned that he would regret trying drugs he paid attention... If I had to depend on some store clerk to keep him from using drugs, I would have felt that I failed to properly instruct him. If I give warning and my children try something anyway, then the simple fact is that nothing I could have done, and nothing anybody else could have done including teachers and police officers would have made any difference anyway. We all make our own mistakes, and a warning unheeded leaves nobody to blame but the one who does not listen.

School shootings? Honestly, I would feel far more secure if my grandkids were allowed to attend school armed and trained in the use of arms. Kids today get their training from video games and movies like the Matrix, which in some ways is alright, but leaves a void that should be filled by responsible parenting. Time spent with children instilling a real sense of values for instance, not platitudes mouthed by soulless politicians most of whom feel that wetting one's pants and passing a new law is the only proper response to crisis.
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